南方财经全媒体记者施诗上海报道
In2023,theglobalrecoveryremainsslowwithgrowingregionaldivergences.Asmajorcentralbanksmaybegintocutratesthisyear,willtheglobaleconomyperformbetter?Whatdoes2024haveinstorefortheeconomy?
BrianCoulton,ChiefEconomistofFitchRatings,intheinsightfulinterviewwithSFCjournalist,shedslightonglobaleconomicgrowth,theeconomicforecastoftheU.S.,thedrivingforcesoftheChineseeconomy,andsoon.
“Wedoseeinterestratescomingdownacrosstheworldeconomy,”Coultonindicated.FromFitch’sinvestigationof20economiesintheglobaleconomicoutlook,thecentralbanksin19ofthoseeconomiesareexpectedtocutratesin2024.Hesuggeststhattherewillbeawidespreadeasingofmonetarypolicythisyear.
Globaleconomyacceleratedslightly in2023
SFCMarketsandFinance:Wouldyouliketogoovertheperformanceofglobaleconomyin2023?Diditmeetyourexpectations?
BrianCoulton:Whatwesawin2023wasthattheglobaleconomyactuallyacceleratedslightly,sowesawworldeconomicgrowthpickuptoabout2.9%from2.7%in2022.Thatwasasurprise.Atthebeginningoftheyear,weexpectedtheglobalgrowthtoslowquitesignificantlylastyear,andthereasonwasthatweanticipatedthattheriseinfederalreserveinterestrateswouldhavequiteabigandrapidimpactontheU.S.economicgrowthwhichsloweddown.Wewereexpectingtoseearecessionlastyear,initiallyintheU.S.thatdidn'thappen.Instead,theU.S.economyactuallyaccelerated,grewfasterin2023thanin2022.
WealsosawquiteastrongrecoveryingrowthinChina,andthatwasprimarilydrivenbytheeasingofpandemicrestrictions,ortheabolitionofpandemicrestrictionsatthestartoftheyear,whichallowedconsumerspendingonvariousserviceswhichhadbeenconstrainedbytherestrictionstonormalize.Nothinglikeaconsumerboomgoingon,certainlynot.Butthatnormalizationledtoapick-upingrowthinChina.Andthosetwofactors,morethanoutweighedasharpslowdownintheEurozone.Andthatslightslowdownwassomethingweanticipated,anditwasreallyaboutthefalloutfromtheenergyandthegascrisisthathappenedfromthemiddleof2022.Sothosearethevariousdriversofglobalgrowth.Abetteryearthanweandmostpeopleexpectedlastyear.
SFCMarketsandFinance:YoumentionedthenormalizationofconsumptioninChinaandincreasedgrowthintheU.S..Couldyouexplainthekeydriversbehindthesepositivetrends?
BrianCoulton:SoontheChina's story,whatwesawwiththepandemicrestrictionsthatweresortoftightenedagainin2022,thatreallyweighedheavilyonconsumption.Itwassomethingthatwasconstrainingwhatwecallcontact-intensiveconsumption. Sothe consumptionmeansthatyouhavetobeclosetootherpeople.Sogoingtothecinema,goingtoarestaurant,orgoingtoabusyshoppingmall,allthosethingswereconstrainedheavily bythepandemic.
Whenthoserestrictionswereremoved,thereweresomeinitialreluctancebecausepeoplewereobviouslywithhealthconcerns.Theremovalofrestrictionsledtoabounceinconsumptiononthosecontact-intensiveservices.Itwasexactlythesamepatternthatwesawin2021and2022intheWesterneconomieswhentheyfinallyremovedthepandemicrestrictions.ThatwaswhatdrovethenormalizationinChina.AsIsay,intheU.S.itwasreallytheeconomyprovedalotmoreresilientinthefaceofmonetarytighteningthanwe'danticipated.
ThreefactorsforU.S.economybeingresilient
SFCMarketsandFinance:WhydidtheU.S.economyshowsurprisingresiliencein2023?Andhowsustainableisthisresilience?
BrianCoulton:Verygoodquestion.Andthisissomethingthatwegotwrong,andalmosttheentiremarketgotwrong,tobehonest.Therewasawidespreadconsensusatthestartof2023thattheU.S.economysloweddownverysharplyandprobablygoingintoatechnicalrecession(which)willbeamildone.
Thatdidn'tprovetobethecase.Ithinktwoorthreefactorstoemphasize. One is thattherewasquiteaverysignificanteasingoffiscalpolicylastyearintheU.S.. Sowesawgovernmentspendingongoodsandservicesthroughthethird quarterof2023rises byalmost5%inrealterms,yearonyear.That'sa hugegrowthingovernmentspending,alotofatthestateandlocalgovernmentlevel, andhealthandeducation,butthatdefinitelyboostedGDPquitesignificantly.
Wealsohadlowertaxpaymentsfromthehouseholdsectorthatwasalsoboostinghouseholddisposableincome.Andthere'sameasureoftheunderlyingfiscalstatsthatputtogetherbytheIMF,whichshowsaverysubstantialeasingofabout2%ofGDPinfiscalpolicies.Thatwasn'texpectedtogetatthestartoftheyear.Sothatwasoneofthemainreasonsforthesurprise.
Secondly,Ithinkwe'reallalittlebitsurprisedbythewillingnessoftheU.S.householdsectortocontinuetodrawdownsaving.Sothroughthecourseofthepandemic,in2020and2021,therewasamassivesurgeinwhatwecallexcesssaving.Sothesavingratiojumpedverystrongly,andthatallowedhouseholdstobuildup.Andthereasonthathappenedwasbecausetherewerelotsofgovernmenttransfers,spendingwasconstrainedatthetime,incomegrewrapidlybecauseofthetransfers,butspendingwasconstrained,soU.S. householdsandhouseholdsinEurope,andelsewhere,builtupastrongbufferofdepositsandsavingsthroughthecourseofthosetwoyears.Now,thishasbeenuniquetotheU.S..Thehouseholdsectorwaspreparedtousethosesavingstodrawthemdownandtospendmore.Sotheratioofconsumerspendingtoincomeactuallyroseaboveitslongonaverage,from2022.Andthatwasastrongsupportforgrowth.Again,somethingwedidn'tanticipate.Wedidn'tanticipatethatitwouldgoonforsolong.
ThethirdfactoristhatthetransmissionofmonetarypolicytighteningtotheU.S.economywasn'taspowerfulasalotofmodelsbasedonhistorywhatweresuggesting.Andsowesawaveryslowpassthroughfromhigherpolicyinterestratestointerestratesactuallyfacedbyhouseholdsontheirmortgages,becausealotofthosearefixedforaverylongterm,thatdidn’tfeedthroughverystrongly.AndtheprivatesectorinaverystrongcashpositionbeforetheFedstartedtotightenrates,inparticularlywiththeU.S.corporatesectorissittingonverylargestocksofliquidfinancialassets.Andthosefinancialassets,whichweremainlyparkedinbankdepositsormoneymarketfunds,startedearningaverygoodinterestratebecausetheFedraisedrates,andthatwaspassedthroughtoshort-termdepositratesandmoneymarketfundrates,andsothatcushionedtheblowoftighterinterestrates.Soallofthosefactors,Ithink,contributedtothesurprisingresilienceoftheU.S.lastyear.
SFCMarketsandFinance:Fitchpredictsasharpdeclineinglobalgrowthto2.1%in2024.Whatarethemainfactorscontributingtothisforecast?
BrianCoulton:Wedothinktheglobaleconomyisgoingtoslowdown.Twokeydriversofthat.One,thepickupingrowthinChinathatwesawlastyearwasmoreofakindofone-offtypeofadjustment.Sothissortof(adjustment),wewerecallingitanormalizationofconsumption,aspreviouslyconstrainedconsumptiononserviceswasallowedtogobacktosomethingmuchmoreinlinewithhistoricalnorms.Butthat'snotsomethingthatcreatesongoinggrowth.Sowedon'tseetheunderlyingstrengthenedconsumerspendingonasortofsequentialmonthbasisthat'snotanywherenearstrong.Sothatwasone-offboostthatwe'renotgoingtoseethisyear.Andthat'spartlywhywe'reexpectingChinesegrowthtoselecttoslowdown.
ThesecondfactoriswhatIsaidaboutmonetarypolicytransmissionintheU.S.notbeingaspowerfulorrapidasweexpected.Sofar,westillseealaggedimpactfromthisyear.AndwhatwepointtothefactthatbankcreditgrowthtothecorporatesectorandthehouseholdsectorintheU.S.hasslowedverysharply,andthatwethinkisgoingtofeedintolowergrowthovertime.Soit'sthelaggedimpactofthemonetarypolicythatwe'veseentodayintheU.S.andtheone-offboostergrowthinChinalastyearfadingoutofthenumbers.
Eurozonewillfacedownsiderisks
SFCMarketsandFinance:Whichregionwillfaceheightenedrisks?
BrianCoulton:Intermsofhowourforecastshavebeenchangingrecently,wherewe'vehadpositiverevisionstoourU.S.(economy)forecast.Andthere'sprobablystillalittlebitanupsiderisktotheU.S.outlookinthenearterm.Eventhoughwedoexpecttoslowdown,someofthehighfrequencynumbersarestilllookingquitestrongonthelabormarket,retailsales.SoIwouldn'tpointtotheU.S.atthemomentasbeingthekeydownsiderisk.
TheEurozonewaswherewecutourforecastsinDecember.AndweareseeingsomesignsofrealstagnationintheGermanyeconomy.TheGermaneconomyhasn'texpandedrelativetoitspre-pandemiclevel,theQ42019level.Germany'seconomyshrankinthe4thquarterandisnowsmaller,notasbigasitwasbackinQ42019.Nearlyeveryotheradvancedeconomyhasexceededthatpre-pandemiclevel,followingstrongrecoveriesin2021and2022.SoIthinktherearedownsiderisksintheEurozone.
SFCMarketsandFinance:DoyouthinktheU.S.economywillavoidarecessionin2024?Whatarethemainchallenges?
BrianCoulton:Wedoseeaslowdownstillinourforecast,quiteasignificantstate,andwe'vegotgrowthcomingdownin1.25%to1.5% thisyear,fromwhatwasprobablyaround2.5%lastyear.Butwedon'tseearecession.
Wethinkthatthestrengthofprivatesectorbalancesheet,privatesectorliquidityisgoingtocontinuetodampentheimpactofthatmonetarytighteningthatwe'vehadoverthelasttwoorthreeyears.Don'texpectfiscalpolicytobetightandsharpeither.Whenweputallthosethingsintothemix,wecertainlydoseeaslowdown.Butwedon'tseearecessionatthispoint.Andthat'scomeabitofchangeofviewfromus.UpuntilourSeptember2023globaleconomicoutlookforecasts,wewereanticipatingaU.S.recession,butwedon'tthinkthat'stherightcallanymore.
2024isapivotalyearformonetarypolicy
SFCMarketsandFinance:Youmentionedcentralbanks,includingtheFedandtheECB,arenervousaboutmakingaprematuredeclarationof“victory”.Howdoyouassesstheirpoliciesinresponsetoeconomicconditions?
BrianCoulton:Ithinktherehasbeenasignificantchangeinthelast3or4monthsinhowthecentralbanksofviewingdevelopments.Andwhat'shappenedisthecoreinflationhascomedownquitesignificantlyacrosstheU.S.,theEurozoneandtheU.K..Now,that'spartlybecauseofalltheglobalsupplychainpressuresthatwereabigproblemin2021and2022.Theyeasedquitesignificantlyinthemiddleoflastyear,andwesortoflackedbenefitfromthatinthe2ndhalfoflastyearongoodsinflation,andwe'vealsoseensomedeclinesinservicesinflation.AndIthinkasthat'shappened,thecentralbankshavebecomealotmoreconfidentthatthey'venowraisedratestoalevelthattheythinkiswhattheycalled sufficientlyrestrictive,policyistightenoughnow,theythinkinordertobringinflationbacktotargetonasustainablebasisoverthenext2to3years,getbacktotheirinflationtargets.Sothat'squiteanimportantchange.
Butwhat'sgonewiththatchangehasbeenaverystrongsignalfromcentralbanksthatthey'renotinanyrushtostartcuttingrates.AndsoIthinkwhatwe'regoingtobelookingatisseveralmonthsfromnow,in2024,wherethecentralbanksare,debatingtheoutlookandstartingtotalkaboutinterestratecuts.Butwedon'tthinkthey'regonnagetthereforafewmonths.Sowedoseeinterestratescomingdownacrosstheworldeconomy.Infact,wecover20economiesinourglobaleconomicoutlook,andthecentralbanksin19ofthoseeconomiesareexpectedtocutratesthisyear.It'sonlytheBankofJapanthatweseeratesgoingup.Sowedothinkthattherewillbeawidespreadeasingofmonetarypolicy.Soitisdefinitelyapivotalyearformonetarypolicyinourview. Butwedon'tthinkratesarecomingdownquicklyorrapidly.
SFCMarketsandFinance:WhenwilltheFedandECBstartcuttingrates?
BrianCoulton:SowethinktheFedisgoingtobeprobablyonholduntilJuneorJulyofthisyear.So,that'squiteadifferentviewtowhat'spricedintofinancialmarkets,butthat'sourviewthatitwilltakesometimeforthemtogetcomfortablewithcuttingrates.Remember,they'vejustbeenthroughaperiodofaninflationshockthatnobodyontheFOMCbelievedcouldeverhappenagain.Imean,therewasaverystrongviewbeforethepandemicthatinflationhadbeensolvedasaproblem.Sotohaveinflationhit10%andstayveryhighforthreeyears,itwasamassiveshocktopolicymakers.
SoIthink,havingbeenthroughthisperiod,andwithservicesinflationstillquitehighandquitesticky,andwithlabormarketsstilltight,stillpressureonwageinflation,whichisnotcomingdownfastenough,andit'sfartoohigh,Ithinkthey'regonnawaitforsometime,keepratesrestrictiveforanotherfewmonths.Sowedon'tseetheFEDcuttinguntilJuneorJuly.
WethinktheECBmaybealittlebitearlier.AndthereasonforthatisthecoreinflationimprovementsintheEurozonehavebeenevenmoreimpressivethanintheU.S..SocoreinflationhascomedownquitefastintheEurozone.SoweseetheECBgoingmaybealittlebitearlier,butbroadly,wethinkQ2fortheFEDandtheECB.BankofEngland,becausecoreinflationisthatmuchhigher,wethinkthey'llprobablybewaitingabitlonger,soprobablymorelikeQ3fortheBankofEngland.
SFCMarketsandFinance:Isitpossiblethattheinflationwillriseagainaftercuttingratesthisyear?
BrianCoulton:It'scertainlynotimpossible,yet,wedothinkthat'sariskbeingkindofignoredbythemarketsatthemoment.We'renotseeingservicesinflationcomedownthatfastatall.We'reseeingintheU.S.andacoupleofothercountries,verystronggrowthinhousingrents.ThatgoesintotheCPI.That'snotslowingdownmuchatall.Andonsomemeasures,theU.S.housingmarketisispickingupagain.Wageinflationishigh.
Andnowwe'vegotsomedevelopmentshappeningintheMiddleEast,withtheRedSeatradedisruptions.That’sgonnaprobablyslowdownthepaceatwhichcoregoodspricesfall,ormayevenseesomeincreasesinthenextfewmonths,inthewakeofthosedisruptions.Andofcourse,wedon'tknowit'sgoingtohappentocommoditypriceseither.Soit'spossiblewiththisconflictintheMiddleEast,it'spossiblethatwecouldseeallpricesriseagain.So,youknow,therearelotsoffactors.Inflationforecastingisnoteasy.
Andthere'slotsoffactorsbecausecertainlyIwouldsayit's,it'sprobablymorelikelythatwejustseeunderlyinginflationsortofprovealotmorestickythanthemarketsareexpecting.Ithinkthat'sprobablyabiggerrisk.Butthereisalsocertainlyontheheadlineinflationnumbers,thatinflationdoespickupagain.Itcertainlycan'tberuledout.
RedSeaCrisiswillbringmorechallengestoEuropeaneconomy
SFCMarketsandFinance:IwanttotalkmoreabouttheRedSeaCrisis.Fromyourperspective,howwilltheRedSeaCrisisaffectglobalinflationandsupplychain?
BrianCoulton:It'sbeenquiteinteresting.Ifyoulookatanumberofsortofhighfrequencyindicators,likethecostofmovingacontainerthroughfromChinatoEurope,forinstance,thathasgoneupquitesharplysincetheconflicthasescalated.Andwe'vehadtheseissuesintheRedSea,nothingonthescaleofwhatwe'veseenin2021.Andthereisabigdifferencewith2021whenthosesupplychainissueswerearealproblem.Backthen,wehadaverystrongsurgeinglobalconsumergoodsdemand,andthiswasrelatedtoamassivestimulusintheU.S.andelsewhere,butledtoabigincreaseinspendingonITequipment,furniture,bicycles,younameit,thingsthatgetdeliveredtoyourhouseinabox.Therewasamassivesurge,atotallyunprecedentedincrease,thatwasreallyprobablyamoreimportantdriveroftheinflation,tobehonest,thanthesupplychainitself.
Thesupplychainwasjuststrugglingtokeepupwiththishugejumpingdemand.We'renotseeingthatthistimeround.Sogoodsdemandisnotfalling.It'skindofgrowing,butit'smuchmoresteady.There'snothinglikethissortof30%increaseinU.S.consumergoodsdemandthatwesawrelativetopre-pandemiclevels.Wesawthathappenedin2021.Sothedemandsideoftheglobalgoodsbalanceisnowherenearasstrong,butthesedisruptionsare,youknow,theyarestartingtoshowupinanumberoftheindicatorsthatwelookat.Andwewillseethat,Ithink,inthenextfewmonths,insomeoftheCBIdata.
SFCMarketsandFinance:WilltheRedSeaCrisisbringmorechallengestoEuropeaneconomy?
BrianCoulton:Well,totheextentthatitslowsdownthepaceatwhichtheECBcutsrates.Ithinkthatcouldbeanissue.Youknow,we'veseenaveryquickfeedthroughfromhigherECBratestolowercreditgrowthintheEurozone,andtheconstructionsectorinparticular,hasweakenedquitesharply.Andso,ifwe'relookingfortheECBtoprovidesomesupport,thesedisruptionscoulddelaythoseratecuts,definitely.Andtheweakerisworldtradepicture.Itdoeshaveaparticularlystrongimpactonthosemanufacturingandtrade-focusedeconomiesintheEurozone,whichisbasicallyGermany,Italyattheforefront.
SFCMarketsandFinance:Europefacedchallengesin2023withmildrecessionsintheeurozoneandtheUK.Willtherecessionendin2024?
BrianCoulton:Wethinkthattherewillbeanimprovement.Wedohaveapickupingrowth,from2nd,3rdquarterthisyear.Andthat'sreallydrivenbyaviewthatasinflationcomesdown,headlineinflationcomesdown,wagegrowthisgoingtobequitesticky. Andsothat'sgoingtoleadtoanimprovedrealwagegrowthpicture.Sowe'regoingtoseesomerecoveringrealwages,andwethinkthatwillhelptheconsumerinGermanyandelsewhere.Butit'snotgonnabeastrongrecovery.WedoseethatthisweaknessinworldtradeisweighingontheGermanrecovery.Andthere'sprobablystillsomelaggedimpactsfrommonetarytighteningtocomethroughaswell.
And,thosethingsaresortofdampeningwhatshouldbequiteanimportantboostfromthedeclinethatwe'veseeninglobalgasprices.Andthatwasabignegativeshockin2023.Thatthejump,themassivesurginginnaturalgaspricesinthe2ndhalffor2022,wasahugeshockthatweighedontheEurozoneeconomy,intheGermaneconomy,particularlylastyear.Butthatshockiseasedquitesharply.We'veseennaturalgas,carpricescomedown.Sothat'swhatwecallanimprovementinthetermsoftrade,andthatshouldbehelpingthings,butwethinkthat'sgoingtobedampenedbytheweaknessofworldtradeandtheweaknessinGermany,andstillsomeheadwindsfrommonetarypolicytightening.
Chineseeconomyhadagoodperformancein2023
SFCMarketsandFinance:HowaboutChina'seconomy?Whatwillbethekeydrivingforces?
BrianCoulton:OurbasecaseviewforChinaisthegrowthslowstoabout4.5%.AndasImentionedbefore,that'spartlybecauseweseetheone-offboostlastyearfading,andthat'snolongerbeaffectinggrowth.Buttobehonest,wethinkthattherisksremainonthedownsidetothatforecastnow.Sowhyareweexpectinggrowthhastostillstayfairlydecentat4.5%?Imean,wehaveseensomeofthenumbersimproverecently.BetterGDPnumbersinQ4,atleasttherealGDPnumbersweredecentat5.2%.We'veseenretailsalesgrowthpickupinthefourthquarteroflastyear,we'veseeninfrastructureinvestmentimproved,industrialproductionnumbersimproved.Andweareseeingapickupincreditgrowth.Andofcourse,we'vejusthadastepupinthepaceofpolicyeasingwiththis50basispointscutintheRRR.Sothoseareallreasonstobelievethatthegrowthshouldseethesortofstayinabroadlyintheirsortofrangethatwethinkthegovernmentwillbecomfortablewith.
SFCMarketsandFinance:ThePeople’sBankofChinaannouncedtocutthereserverequirementratio(RRR)forallbanksby50basispoints.DoyouthinkhowthesepolicieswillaffectChina’seconomy?
BrianCoulton:Ithinkthisisawelcomeaccelerationinthepaceofpolicyeasing.Frankly,wewerequitesurprisedlastyearabouthowmeekthegovernmentwasinhispolicyresponse.We'dexpectedamoreassertivemacropolicyeasingresponsewhenwesawhowweakthenumberswere.Thenumbersweregoodinthebeginningoftheyear,thefirstquarter.Itlookedliketherewasastrongreboundgoingon,andthentheyreallyfaltered inthemiddleoftheyear.Andthepropertysectorremainedvery,veryweakthroughlastyear.
AnditwasclearfromAugustthatthegovernmentwaskeentosupportpropertyandsupporttheeconomybuttheydidn'treallyseemtobedoingverymuch.TheRRRcutswehadwerequitesmall.Wedidn'tseemuchontheofinterestratecuts.Weonlysawaverymarginalpickupincreditgrowth,whichwedidhavesomefiscalmeasures.Wethinkthosearestartingtohelpnow.Butthese50basispointscutintheRRRisabitmoreaggressive.Thisisabitclosertowhattheyweredoingin2015whenthepropertymarketwasreallyweak.SoIthinkthatisawelcomemove.Ithinkfromthegrowthperspective,ourviewisthattheredoesneedtobemoreassertivepolicyeasing.Weneedtoseeabiggerboostincredit,andthiseasingintheRRRshouldhelp.
SFCMarketsandFinance:DoyouexpectmorerelaxingpoliciesinChina?
BrianCoulton:Idon'tthinkI'vegonefarenoughatthisstageforustobefullyconfidentinour4.5%forecast.Imeanthatforecastalreadyanticipatedsomefurthereasing.Ithinktherewillneedtobemorecuts,moresupportforpropertythattheyneedtostopthepropertysectorcollapsing.Frankly,thenumbersatthemomentarejustcontinuestocollapse.Now,ifthatbottomsout,withthissupporttoinfrastructureandthiswiderfiscalsupport,Ithinkwe'requitecomfortablethattheycanachievegrowthof4.5%.Butifitcarriesonfallingat20%+,thenwe'renotgoingtoget4%growth.SoIthinkwe'regoingtoneedtoseesomemorepolicyeasingtoensurethepropertysectorstabilizes.
Therearelotsofuncertaintiesinglobaleconomy
SFCMarketsandFinance:Peoplearecalling2024thesuperelectionyear.Howwilltheseelections,especiallytheUSpresidentialelection,influencetheworld?
BrianCoulton:Alsosomethingpeoplearegonnabewatchingveryclosely.There'slotsofdifferentaspectsofthis.Obviously,underthequestionthatwereceivealotfrominvestors,iftherewasavictoryfromPresidentTrump,whatwouldthatmeanforUSpolicy?Andhowwouldthataffecttherestoftheworld?Obviously,hisfirstterm,thereweresomesignificanttariffswereplacedonChina,whichhavenotbeenremoved.Therewerelotsofthreatsoftariffsonothercountries,includingMexico,forinstance.So,thatisoneconcernthatweseemoreprotectionistpoliciescoming.
IthinkoneissuethatwewillbewatchingquitecloselyisonedevelopmentthatyousawunderPresidentTrump'sfirstterm,beforethepandemic,wasaverysharpslowdowninUSnetimmigration.NowtheUSlabormarketatthemomentistight,butthingskindofeasedabitonthesupplysideoftheUSlabormarketin2023becausewesawabigrecoveryinnetimmigration.Sowedidn'treallyhaveanimprovementinlaborforceparticipation,theshareofpeopleover16thatwereworkingintheeconomydidn'treallymoveupverymuch.Thatsortofratteddownafterthepandemicisnotreallyrecovered.Buttherewasanimprovementinimmigration.AndthatwasafactorthatwashelpingemploymentgrowthandhelpingGDP,andpreventingwagegrowthrisingmuchmorerapidly.Ifweweretoseeasharpslowdowninimmigration,thatcouldmeanthattheUSlabormarketconditionsaretightenedevenfurther,whichwillbeaproblemfortheFed.
SFCMarketsandFinance:Willtheseelectionsbethebiggestuncertaintyin2024?
BrianCoulton:Unfortunately,there'slotsofuncertaintiesthisyear, withconflictsgoingoninvariouspartsoftheworld. SoIthink therearelotsofkeyrisksofwhichthatisone.Obviously,U.S. economicpolicyishugelyimportanttotherestoftheworld.Soclearlyitwillbeverymuchinfocus.ButChina'sgrowthoutlook, theprospectsfortheEuropeaneconomy, theweaknessinGermany'seconomy, theglobalimplicationsoftheriseinterestratesintheBankofJapan, sotherearelotsofissues,lotsofuncertaintiesoutthere,whichaddsanotherlevelofcomplexity.
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